This drawing on the left took me about 10 minutes. I did it with my Micron pen. The pencil drawing took me about an hour. Lots of erasing and working on shadows. I think Danny has the right idea for beginners.... work with a pen and if you don't like the line, make another one next to it. I just get too involved with pencil, and I work too hard to make it "perfect". I had more fun drawing the ink drawing.